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Unpopular boardgaming opinions.

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Yesterday I expressed a unpopular opinion about apps in games. @Skurvy5 asked me if I held any other unpopular opinions. I game a list. He further directed me to think about starting a new thread so that my opinions can be more easily refuted. So, @Skurvy5, here's your thread. 

All of you, feel free to disagree with what I say, and feel free to comment what you unpopular opinions are. 

Also, please remember, these are opinions. These are not truths that were handed down to me from God himself. I won't dislike you because you hold a different opinion. I might even like games that go against my opinion..... 

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Supporter9 months ago

I didn’t realize that people thought that #Gloomhaven was more important than #Catan. In the broad view of “Gaming” Catan has been vastly more important. Catan has brought so many new people in to the hobby. Catan helped create the modern hobby and helped it grow into what we know and love today. 

That said - I think MANY more people would find #Gloomhaven more entertaining- if you could somehow convince them all to try it and they wouldn’t be scared away. 

Premium User9 months ago

I think #Catan is an "ok" game that I never really liked that much.  #Gloomhaven proved that taking the time to create something deep and intricate with a great story would be worth the time and energy.  I would say #Gloomhaven was much more significant to the gaming world than #Catan.  

Supporter9 months ago

Would #Gloomhaven even exist if #Catan never came about? I think that the answer to this question tells you everything you need to know about their relative importance. 

Please note: Gloomhaven is absolutely fantastic and is my number 2 favorite game of all time, and also the game that I have by far the most logged plays in. 

Premium User9 months ago

Would Isaac have been born if Catan did not exist? Thought provoking. Haha, I am certainly only being argumentative for the sake of the forum

Supporter9 months ago

Lol! Would the Earth stop spinning if Catan were to go away?

Premium User9 months ago

Only if it's flat

Supporter9 months ago

Hey.... I agree with you... 

Supporter9 months ago

Yay!

Supporter9 months ago

I'll try and give you some.

  • Apps in games, I don't really like them. I don't mind them too much in a solo game where the app is running a enemy. But I really prefer that they not be used in a multiplayer experience. 
  • The importance BGG/BGA scores are overrated. I do enjoy them, and I don't want them to go away. But way too many people pay way too much attention to them. If the game is ranked at 2000 people act like it is terrible. Guys, seriously, it is in the 98th percentile. It's pretty good. 
  • The Kennerspiel and Spiel de Jares have lost meaning for gamers. Look at what use to win the Spiel, games like #El Grande, that's what. Real significant meaty games that are still played today. What wins the Spiel now? Games like #Llama. Perfectly innocuous innocent games that will be forgotten in 1 or 2 years. The Kennerspiel is a little better of, and sometimes hits a good un... But seriously.... How have the mighty fallen. 
  • #Catan is a much more important game than #Gloomhaven. Yes I know, #Gloomhaven is great and is doubtless a better game. But I'm terms of the amount of hours of enjoyment that have been given to humanity.....I'm sure Catan is way ahead. I would also wager if you gave Catan and Gloomhaven to 100 or 1000 random people they would almost universally derive more enjoyment from Catan. 
  • Gateway game is not a problematic term. 
  • The importance of gateway games is overstated. Any game can be a gateway experience. The FELLOW PLAYERS and the theme  are probably considerably more important than the game weight. 
  • People are too afraid of game weight. Yes I know, some heavy fans have bad rulebooks that really fight you..... But seriously..... You are smart, you can do it. 
  • People look down too much on light games... "you don't play anything over a 2.5....you must not be a real gamer...." Come on, if they are playing games and having fun, they are gamers. It doesn't matter if their two favorite games are #Monopoly and #Phase 10 Card Game. Game weight is not a indicator of value. I tend to prefer heavier games. That doesn't devalue the lighter ones. 

Owner9 months ago

I agree about the nature of scores and their adverse effects, but I also think there's a need for some form of categorization or indicator of tiers, however that may look. Especially because there are tons of games out there and new ones coming in every month, those new to the hobby need an easy way to filter through the obviously bad ones and get a chance to try out a game that will show the best of the best in the hobby. What that is, I'm not sure, but the top 100 isn't a bad starting point. And while there's absolutely no guarantee you'll like a game because it's in the top 100 (and you probably won't), any person who's buying a $40+ worth of games should do their due diligence when it comes to taking even 10 minutes to look up what the game's about.

Supporter9 months ago

I agree. I do, however, have a problem with people looking at a game and assuming that it is trash because it isn't in the top 100, or 300, or 500.

Owner9 months ago

Yes, and I've seen feedback from someone that they'd love to see a way to discover games that they'd typically miss out on just because it's not a "top game". Hope to see it in the near future!

Premium User9 months ago

1.  #Gloomhaven app is stellar for running multiplayer Gloomhaven campaigns.  Cuts out a ton of set up and take down and about halves the time it takes to play without taking anything away from the experience in my opinion.  Try it before you deny it!

2. Heaven and Ale is one of more all time favorite games.  Its ranked like 216 or something...so yeah, BGG is not the best measure.  You really have to see if a game fits your gameplay style.

3. No idea

4. See prior comments on this

5. Not one I care about too much.  I would just ask for clarification on what one means by "gateway" game.

6. See above

7. Weight might be a little subjective as well and a game that fits you play preferences is more likely to feel less weighty than a game you prefer not to play.

8. I hate Yahtzee.  But I'd rather play Yahtzee with my mom than listen to her talk about medical issues.  There's always something worse.

Supporter9 months ago

Not all of these are controversial in the slightest. Some of them are very good opinions! I’m going to start a new comment about apps to focus the discussion there. 

6 months ago

Everyone have it's own way of thinking.May be your though will right but according to me #catan  good game for specially when you are bore..

8 months ago

Unpopular opinion: I don't think #Catan is a great game. I understand the impact it's had on the hobby as a whole, and why it is an important game in the history of modern board gaming, but i don't understand why anyone is still playing it when there is a plethora of much more enjoyable games out today. 

Supporter8 months ago

There is an increasing number of people who hold this opinion. I guess I am not one of them, but, I respect this opinion and can understand where you are coming from.

9 months ago

Oooooooh, unpopular opinions! Those are tasty! I, too, have some of those. 
  • Inaccessible game design, especially around colorblindness, is lazy game design. 
  • Disregarding games because they are cute is a terrible plan. Games don't have to be hard edges and getting thrown out of the airlock to be good games with serious gameplay. 
  • Kids deserve access to classic games with no judgement as well as more modern games. 
  • Game designers deserve to be paid fairly for their work, AND people who can't afford to drop big bucks on games deserve to have access to games. (The unpopular part of this one is that they must exist in tandem.) 
  • Games that aren't originally published in English can be just as good as the pile of games that are, and we should give them the same chance. 
  • The boardgame world is sometimes (often) an echo chamber. 
  • #Risk is a terrible first date but an oddly effective opening for a one-night stand. 

9 months ago

My unpopular opinion?

I don't see what makes #Gloomhaven enjoyable.  I've played it and do not like it. 

8 months ago

Same. I appreciate the quantity and quality of the story and world that was created, and the time that went into it. But it was a bit of a let down for me.

Supporter8 months ago

I'm sorry to hear that. I assume that means that you didn't jump on the #Frosthaven kickstarter...?

9 months ago

Here are some unpopular opinions:

  • #Monopoly isn't a "bad" game (even if it's not one I'll play constantly like others I have)
  • Solo gaming is a legitimate way to play (I know this isn't news in this forum, but a lot of other groups tend to look down on it)
  • Ameritrash is a horrible term (why not go with "thematic" or "for those of us who can't multiply fractions in our heads"
  • Not all paid reviewers are biased (please note that I am definitely not paid for my reviews! haha)
  • Shelving from Walmart is an effective alternative to Kallax shelves from IKEA
  • You can play too many board games
  • Games with "adult" themes aren't actually funny

Supporter9 months ago

I agree more or less with most of your opinions. 

9 months ago

I can't ask for much more than that haha

9 months ago

I had to scroll all the way down and upvote your opinions to see them. But hey, I upvoted them, so hopefully that helps someone. I think I agree with almost all your opinions. The only one I'm borderline on is the apps in games. If it takes a lot of the bookkeeping out of a game or makes playing the game easier, cool. I don't really worry about it one way or the other. 

For looking down on lighter games, I used to do that. Now with quarantine and just wanting a bit of fun with my family, I'm actively seeking out lighter games. Diversify my collection a bit. I was wrong.

If I can share an unpopular opinion of my own: Component quality is EXTREMELY important. I don't care how mind blowing the design and the gameplay could be transcendent, but if the components are cheap and flimsy there's no way I'll play your game. Or maybe I'll play it once, but not again. Terraforming Mars, I'm looking at you.

Supporter9 months ago

Thanks for the support man. These are trying times.... LOL. 

Now, to say something about you, I don't know how unpopular your opinion is. But I like and value good quality components. I just value almost everything else higher....

Premium User9 months ago

games are better in person than playing online. Zoom, an app, etc, all pale in comparison to time together with people in the room

Owner9 months ago

#Gloomhaven minis look terrible. I get that it's not a mini focused game, but the sculpting/poses of the characters are so stiff and awkward looking.

Supporter9 months ago

Isaac Childress claims that those in #frosthaven will be significantly better. 

Supporter9 months ago

I do think “Gateway Game” is a problematic term. Not in its application to a game that would be suitable to helping ease a new gamer into our hobby- but when a game gets labeled as a Gateway game more “serious” gamers look down on it and treat it as a less significant game. 

Any game could absolutely be a Gateway game for someone. It all depends on the group, the theme, the mechanics, and the person themselves. My Gateway game was #XCOM: The Board Game - and that’s due to my background as a video gamer. Once I realized the depth of experiences that board games could provide I was hooked. If someone tried to lure me into the hobby using #Catan I would have enjoyed it but not been as impressed or hooked. And I had played #Catan plenty of times (and even owned the base game and an expansion!). So, any game can be a “Gateway” game but the term “Gateway” is in fact problematic. 

Also it has drug/abuse connotations and I don’t necessarily find that helpful.