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Games that require the right group

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This topic is inspired by a reddit thread.

  • What are some games that are highly dependent on the group dynamic? Where the personality of each player can drastically influence the enjoyment and the likelihood of tapping into the full potential of the gameplay?
  • Does this typically lead to a game that your group would either want to play all the time or is a completely miss?
  • What are some games that you'd love to get but you're hesitant because of this risk? On the flipside, which games would you love to get because it's the perfect match for your group?

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2 months ago

I find #Sheriff of Nottingham to be very group dependent. It's almost no fun at all if you have a group that doesn't want to do a bunch of bargaining and bribing. 

Owner2 months ago

I've yet to play #Sheriff of Nottingham! Does it require players to actually vocalize some of their thoughts? Or is the bargaining/bribing mostly done with simple actions?

2 months ago

There is a framework set up to make binding bribes in the game but only for whether or not the Sherriff will look into a given bag this particular round. IME the fun comes with more creative uses for non-binding agreements for favors/ future favors. The rules state this is an option but there isn't a framework to make it happen. It is solely based on the players discretion and dispositions. Which can be really fun and entertaining, or it can lead to a relatively boring bluffing game depending upon the nature of the group playing.

I found that the system set up by #GoodCritters more reliably provides a fun, interactive, game of bluffing and sneakery, deal-making and betrayal,  that fills the same brain space that I want from a good game of #Sheriff of Nottingham .

 

Supporter2 months ago

I would say the Pax games are going to take a special group, especially #Pax Renaissance.

Owner2 months ago

Agreed, some special breeds indeed lol. I wonder how I'd feel about the game/series if I were to try out the multiplayer. Can't imagine myself not liking it even more.

2 months ago

I've given up all hope that anyone in my social circle would want to learn #Pax Transhumanity lol.

Supporter2 months ago

I imagine I would love it. 

2 months ago

Honestly, most games. But especially games that can be mean, games with political aspects to them, or games with any kind of extreme facet to them. In my collection, the one game is #Dune. It's not easy, and it can be harsh. But it's so much fun if everyone is invested.

Also, party games. These are games that are simply meant to make you laugh. If you don't have the right group, the games themselves are often not enough to stand on their own if people are not in the "party game" mindset.

2 months ago

I agree, as soon as the game has something interesting and specific, a part of target audience falls off.
Actually as soon as is starts to become interesting and games start to have an identity, more specific groups are needed for everybody to enjoy.

I can easily divide them like i divide stuff at work:
- is it the goal, the objective?
- it it a means to an end to reach an (unspecified) objective?

in other words:
- are people arranging their agenda's to play a game together?
- is the played game one of the many possible activiteites when friends and family are together?

That quickly narrows it down to:
- hobby games; longer, more complex, specific or less conventional mechanics, 
- party/family/filler games

So, that first group is where most of the magic happens to me; although I can be fascinated by the sheer genius in a simple but clever mechanic. 

When people see playing a game or multiple games as the goal of the that day/night, they are 'boardgaming friends' to me. These people message each other with news, interesting games, purchaes, jokes & puns and of course; conversations to actually plan a session :)

These "labels" surely overlap, as most friends have several properties that apply to them



- friends into fantasy (and often Warhammer/40k Universe); they do warhammer battles but i never bothered to get into that. I like bloodbowl though and we're doing a pen and paper RPG in the Warhammer fantasy realm

- Wargaming friends; I don't have a lot of them, as I mean "wargaming" is the typical big map, hex grid. whether #Axis & Allies variant fall in that category, is to be debated for many :) I'm not really  a wargamer

- star wars fans; great people to pitch #Star Wars: Rebellion and #Star Wars Imperial Assault to :)

- friends that like engine builders; it's not for everybody but ones who do, find it satisfying

- friends who's mouth waters when I send them stuff about complex games. 


While there are a lot of overlaps, there are just as much dislikes for the other tropes among them. It creates for an interesting set of friends though :D

 

2 months ago

Yeah I think looking at what the goal for the game is is helpful. If people are getting together specifically to play board games, your options are a little wider in terms of complexity, game length, etc. You just have to know your group and what they're up for.

2 months ago

Dune is probably the right answer lol. You need what 6 (?) people who love Dune and who love high conflict games! Crazy stuff! I am happy you have that group!

2 months ago

Yep, I honestly wasn't sure how well it would go over, but it's been great!

2 months ago

Took a risk! Did anyone in your group show interest prior to purchasing the game?

2 months ago

I told one or two guys about it beforehand, but I was pretty much set on buying it anyway, just because I love Dune so much haha

2 months ago

Lol nice! Sometimes you gotta just get it and experience it to know!

2 months ago

The first game that comes to mind is #The Estates. You need to have a group that has thick skin and WANTS to be mean to each other lol. 

Other games that comes to mind are all the Lacerda games. You need to have a group that is will to dive REAL deep into that world and study up on the rules. My group has been really attracted to low rules overhead with high complex decision spaces which Lacerda games are not lol. 

2 months ago

Yeah good point, any game which involves being mean requires the right attitude and a social contract that take that is OK. If one or more people just want to play nice, designs can often collapse. 

2 months ago

For sure! I actually invite people over and tell them "be ready to be mean" lolol

Owner2 months ago

YES. I'd love it given the right group. I could see it being a really fun filler game to get out every time.

Are there some games that your group has been talking about wanting to get into? One that's a little outside of the comfort zone?

2 months ago

Totally! I am still holding out hope! I have not been able to get it to the table enough but I do think people in my group would enjoy it in the right context!

I think right now the most out there acquisition is #Oath: Chronicles of Empire and Exile. Not the typical game we play together but a guy in my group picked it up and we are pretty excited for it!

2 months ago

Haha yeah a game with a ton of rules definitely requires a specific group to get into it.

2 months ago

Thankfully I realised my group is not that group before I bought any of the Lacerda games I was looking at!

2 months ago

Haha, there have been a few heavier games I've considered before, and decided against. A couple of my friends are down, but overall, medium-ish games are more our speed. Dune is the exception it seems, at least so far. And honestly, it's so thematic that it doesn't feel that heavy. There are a bunch of weird little rules, is all.

#Underwater Cities is the heaviest Euro-ish game I've got, according to BGG weight (haven't gotten to play yet).

2 months ago

Ya I have tried to watch a video on the Dune rules and I have not been able to follow everything. Seems like it makes a lot of sense when you get to sit down and play!

Dang I did not realize it had a 3.5...that is heavier than I thought!

2 months ago

Yeah we'll see how it goes!

Premium User2 months ago

You should be fine ! It's fairly straight forward. Not sure why it would have a 3.57....maybe the decision space? Definitely not due to rules complexity

2 months ago

Yeah reading the rules didn't seem too bad but we'll see how it goes

2 months ago

What is your plan? Solo then 2-player with the wife? Get a group together?

2 months ago

I have no idea, haha. Solo first might be a good idea, or at least quickly run through a dummy game before teaching it to her, considering the amount of stuff going on in the game.

2 months ago

I almost always try and do some research or studying to make sure the first game goes smoothly! Highly recommend!